Hungry for Pins, RAM?

stevech
Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:19 am
New 144pin MCUs on dev boards
Here’s one…
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/e … ND/5806777

$25


zmemw16
Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:10 am
aliexpress seems stuck at £30.63

that a bit higher than using pounds for dollars as typically done.
ebay – nothing relevant showed

srp


madias
Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:16 am
A nicer Nucleo device would be – instead of full 144 pins – to cutoff 32 (or 64) of them hard wired to a onboard SDRAM (512-2048MB or something)
BTW: I had this at home: http://www.ti.com/ww/en/launchpad/launc … .html#tabs
Played 3 times with it and now it’s gather dust in the original box (no use for it)

zoomx
Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:35 am
I have some Launchpads too. They are interesting for their low power characteristics and the Energia IDE. One of them has FRAM RAM and works with a Supercap. But they are gathering dust too!

RogerClark
Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:37 am
IMHO, The processors with heaps of RAM and pins are quite a niche market.

Generally this sector of the market is getting colonized by devices like the RPiZero and the CHIP, both of which are cheaper, and have a higher clock speed and more RAM.

At the other end of the scale STM are still promoting the STM8, e.g. They just announced that they had shipped over 2 billion STM8’s

STM8 hits 2 billion units shipment mark

Design-in activity with our successful 8-bit microcontroller series continues to grow, resulting in record-breaking shipments quarter after quarter. With an impressive two billion units shipped, the STM8 has become one of the world’s most popular MCUs both in mass market and at OEMs. The STM8’s outstanding core performance associated with a wide set of peripherals and memories covering 2 to 128 Kbytes are suitable for many application requirements at the most competitive price.


WereCatf
Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:52 am
RogerClark wrote:IMHO, The processors with heaps of RAM and pins are quite a niche market.

Generally this sector of the market is getting colonized by devices like the RPiZero and the CHIP, both of which are cheaper, and have a higher clock speed and more RAM.


zoomx
Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:24 pm
I resolved my problems with STM8 using another STLink dongle and played with them a little.

I found very few pages of hobbyists about this chip and these cheaps boards. Maybe is more diffused in mainland China and Google didn’t find pages there, Baidu shows more pages.

@WereCatf
Unfortunately most SBC doesn’t have RTOS and there are applications where precise timings are mandatory.
For example Adafruit writes that RaspberryPi is unable to drive correctly WS2812 LED strips. But I am not sure since there are libraries for these LED on RPi. You can also use an MCU with a SBC.


mrburnette
Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:46 pm
WereCatf wrote:<…>There are also SBCs that do have ADCs and DACs and really fast GPIO and they don’t cost that much more than these MCU-boards.

zoomx
Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:01 pm
Some web based IOT can be installed in a home PC. ThingSpeak, EmonCms, EasyIOT are among them.One day I will test one or more of them.

mrburnette
Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:04 pm
zoomx wrote:Some web based IOT can be installed in a home PC. ThingSpeak, EmonCms, EasyIOT are among them.One day I will test one or more of them.

WereCatf
Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:17 pm
zoomx wrote:Some web based IOT can be installed in a home PC. ThingSpeak, EmonCms, EasyIOT are among them.One day I will test one or more of them.

zoomx
Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:41 pm
Yes, I have too openWRT devices from old home gateways (I could find them in ebay for about 10 euro) and I heard about MQTT but never played with it.

WereCatf
Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:46 pm
zoomx wrote:Yes, I have too openWRT devices from old home gateways (I could find them in ebay for about 10 euro) and I heard about MQTT but never played with it.

RogerClark
Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:05 pm
Has anyone found a MQTT client for ESP8266 ?

The only one I found, was not compatible with the Arduino IDE, and wouldnt seem to compile even with the bare metal espressif API :-(

IMHO, the whole MQTT space has yet to shake down. There are dozens of different brokers, some open source, some closed source, some fully commercial.
All with various sets of non standard features.

MQTT and IoT really need a thread to themselves.

If people are interested, I can split this thread, but its probably more to do with non STM32 devices, as I am not aware of any STM32s with built in IoT e.g. wifi connectivity.


Slammer
Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:11 pm
RogerClark wrote:Has anyone found a MQTT client for ESP8266 ?

RogerClark
Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:19 pm
@slammer

Thanks

Interestingly with that library it only supports Quality of Service, 0 and 1. Which means whatever you are set (or sending) is not guaranteed to get received (or be received).

I don’t know what this means in terms of how things actually work. I presume the server just gives up after a certain timeout.

I see QoS 0 and 1 somewhat like a twitter or Facebook feed, where it really doesn’t matter if you get the data or not.

However for most control applications, I would have thought that QoS 2 was essential


stevech
Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:16 am
RogerClark wrote:IMHO, The processors with heaps of RAM and pins are quite a niche market.

Generally this sector of the market is getting colonized by devices like the RPiZero and the CHIP, both of which are cheaper, and have a higher clock speed and more RAM.

At the other end of the scale STM are still promoting the STM8, e.g. They just announced that they had shipped over 2 billion STM8’s

STM8 hits 2 billion units shipment mark

Design-in activity with our successful 8-bit microcontroller series continues to grow, resulting in record-breaking shipments quarter after quarter. With an impressive two billion units shipped, the STM8 has become one of the world’s most popular MCUs both in mass market and at OEMs. The STM8’s outstanding core performance associated with a wide set of peripherals and memories covering 2 to 128 Kbytes are suitable for many application requirements at the most competitive price.


stevech
Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:35 am
RogerClark wrote:
… as I am not aware of any STM32s with built in IoT e.g. wifi connectivity.

WereCatf
Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:10 am
stevech wrote:RogerClark wrote:
… as I am not aware of any STM32s with built in IoT e.g. wifi connectivity.

RogerClark
Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:24 am
I also googled LoRa and it was rather vague.

And you seemed to need to create an account to get more details.


Slammer
Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:51 am
STM8 price is sub 0.50$, for devices with A/D, and specs similar to ATMega8-16
You will find STM8 anywhere, specially in low-cost chinese systems. No wonder for hot sales…..

martinayotte
Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:01 pm
RogerClark wrote:I also googled LoRa and it was rather vague.

stevech
Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:57 pm
LoRa is “just” spread spectrum with very long codes plus very low data rates, like a 1Kbps or less. And heavy forward error correction coding (ratio of check bits to data bits = coding rate).
So LoRa allows a receiver to get a decent frame error rate (FER) after coding corrections… of say -130dBm instead of typical SCADA 900MHz FSK modes that struggle at -95dBm.
As ever, this is trading coding rates and slow data rates for range – where range means long with line of sight or shorter with buildings/trees in the path but much longer than higher speed FSK.

What is interesting is that in the EU, and less so in the US so far, people are putting up LoRa “cell” sites in cities and backhauling these to form a WAN, using 2.4 or 5GHz for backhaul and 902-928MHz ISM band for LoRa access. Putting these cigar box sized things wherever easements and power permit. Mostly in 400MHz area, or 868/900MHz (for better building penetration than 2.4GHz). This bypasses the cellular operators’ telemetry data pricing of about $5/month for SCADA, HVAC monitoring, home toys like IoT, and so on. I wonder if this self-funded thing will catch on in the US. Not much need for LoRa unless you live on acres of land. Or have commercial intents. The few LoRa gateways on the market are rather expensive for hobbyists; one can make a box for $50 or so. Power and fire code issues are ever-present challenges.

The Radiohead protocol guys are using the low cost LoRa modules for something. I did a lot of work with Radiohead a couple of years ago. Freeware. Excellent example of prudent use of C++ inheritance applied to small microprocessors. And exemplary use of Doxygen! That work is light years away from Arduino’s kludging. http://www.airspayce.com/mikem/arduino/RadioHead/


RogerClark
Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:28 pm
What is interesting is that in the EU, and less so in the US so far, people are putting up LoRa “cell” sites in cities and backhauling these to form a WAN, using 2.4 or 5GHz for backhaul and 902-928MHz ISM band for LoRa access

I wonder how long it will be , before authorities, decide that this is illegal, as it makes it hard for them to monitor the traffic.


stevech
Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:52 am
RogerClark wrote:What is interesting is that in the EU, and less so in the US so far, people are putting up LoRa “cell” sites in cities and backhauling these to form a WAN, using 2.4 or 5GHz for backhaul and 902-928MHz ISM band for LoRa access

I wonder how long it will be , before authorities, decide that this is illegal, as it makes it hard for them to monitor the traffic.


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