Arduino Studio

IMO…

Unless they incorporate some decent, cross-architecture debug capability, they are wasting their time. This smells of a web-backend even though it is mentioned only once and the ‘standalone’ word is used in the same sentence. Ummmm. Does the world really need another MBED?

Ray

At first glance, the idea of an online editor is dumb. You have no control over the backend, and your experience is determined by the quality of your internet connection. However, I think this may become a thing. Think about the possibilities, if they add the capability to do multi user editing it might be the perfect thing for the Arduino crowd. Do you know someone having a problem with their code? Well hop online and show them what they are doing wrong. It has some other benefits also, the user can always have the latest and greatest compiler and header files and framework without having to maintain it themselves. The big benefit to the vendor is they get to stop worrying about supporting MAC, Linux, Windows, Android and IOS. They just have to make small stubs that take care of the final upload code to the device. Debugging, who needs debugging? ( said facetiously ).

I think you will see more of this in the future. The Texas Instruments beta of their online editor came out a little while ago. Seems to work pretty well. http://dev.ti.com. The “CCS Cloud” is their version of putting Code Composer Studio online. I find some features of it useful, mainly the ability to use their for fee compiler ($495) msp430 compiler for free without code size limits. The offline CCS is code size limited to 16k on the msp430 (16 bit pdp11 clone) and 32k on the msp432 (ARM cortex-m4f). I think it is based on this stuff: https://c9.io/

With the speed of the internet constantly going higher, I think you will see more and more of this. Sadly, I think more and more desktop apps will become deprecated and those using desktops will only be dudes like us running windows xp.

-rick

mrburnette wrote:Unless they incorporate some decent, cross-architecture debug capability, they are wasting their time. This smells of a web-backend even though it is mentioned only once and the ‘standalone’ word is used in the same sentence. Ummmm. Does the world really need another MBED?

Rick Kimball wrote:<…>
Wait .. I just downloaded it and it is 127M for linux .. hardly mbed … * goes off to install it to see what it is all about.

Rick Kimball wrote:It has some other benefits also, the user can always have the latest and greatest compiler and header files and framework without having to maintain it themselves.

pico wrote:Rick Kimball wrote:It has some other benefits also, the user can always have the latest and greatest compiler and header files and framework without having to maintain it themselves.

I was just trying to find something positive about it : )

There is the other side of that coin when people don’t update. A problem gets identified, the maintainers fix it and then people don’t update. Then in the forums there are always people asking about something that has already been fixed. Both approaches have their issues.

-rick

Does it work at all on Windows

I just wasted 250Mb worth of my Internet bandwidth quote downloading Arduino Studio for Windows, and I it appears to be a glorified HTML editor

Actually I’m not sure it unzipped correctly on my machine, I got a load of warnings about paths being unstably deep.

Ive ended up with 90% of the UI being the message window and only 1 line at the top for the editor.

Pressing upload seems to compile and then do nothing i.e Not upload.

I understand that companies now release preview / RC versions for people to look at, but this is version 0.0.1 so is Pre Alpha, currently seem to be a complete waste of time.

That’s not to say it won’t eventually be usable but only time will tell whether they bother to put the time and effort into making it usable.

I suspect they may have been better off customising Eclipse rather than using something that has not been used for embedded dev before.

However I suspect they are going for a HTML based IDE, because its an easy way to get cross platform, including onto Android, as well as also offering a cloud based solution.

I note with the “Spark” “Photon” boards that I have, that the IDE is effectively online only. But I wonder whether online is the correct space for development programs, for all but the most trivial applications, or for educational purposes.

I suspect these organisations don’t understand their user base, and think that people who want to develop for Arduino, are the same sort of people who want to edit their selfies online before uploading to instragram

Rick Kimball wrote:I was just trying to find something positive about it : )

There is the other side of that coin when people don’t update. A problem gets identified, the maintainers fix it and then people don’t update. Then in the forums there are always people asking about something that has already been fixed. Both approaches have their issues.

-rick