BRexit

martinayotte
Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:45 am
I would like you thoughts on BRexit, especially @ahulll, because he’s Scott !
… and I’m Quebec’er with 2 referendums ! …

RogerClark
Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:08 am

(probably need to watch this first or it wont make sense ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foi342LXQE


racemaniac
Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:58 am
As someone from across the channel, it’s like watching a slow motion trainwreck happening. Not entirely sure if it’s more or less funny since it’s so serious. And now that britain has voted to leave, it’s incredible to see
– noone there knows what to do now (lets all do propaganda for the vote, but not, you know, actually plan anything)
– all guys that encouraged britain to leave quickly disappearing in the background so they don’t have to clean up their own mess (true british class :) )
– people who voted leave being like “we didn’t think we’d actually win you know”
– seeing a lot of people who voted leave because
1.racism (now we can throw everybody out of the country)
2.as a middlefinger to their own politicians (must somehow make perfect sense to give the finger to your politicians by giving them more power now)

I can’t wait till the next episode of this truth is still stranger than fiction soap.


RogerClark
Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:03 am
racemaniac wrote:As someone from across the channel, it’s like watching a slow motion trainwreck happening.

ahull
Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:04 am
If you are looking for a bit of satire on the subject, this made me chuckle, although it is painfully close to the truth.

Perhaps, arguably of course, the only group to come out of the debacle with some shred of credibility are the SNP, who, like it or not, are the only ones to see their democratically franchised position gain in support and who’s claim of a campaign against them based on lies and half truths, the so called “Project Fear” during the Scottish referendum looks pretty credible in the light of the subsequent meltdown of UK politics. That the EU now turn their back on Scotland and the SNP, would be the final insult to the Scottish electorate, but given the nature of the beast, this would not surprise me either.

Can British politics and the UK’s credibility in the world recover following all of the lies and deceit of the last few months. Probably, eventually. Have we seen the baser, more disgusting side of the UK political class over the past few months. You bet.

Arguably one of the few positives I can draw from this, is that some of the most offensive individuals, upon showing their true colours, are now falling on their swords, or scurrying back into the gutter, when called to make good on their promises. We live in interesting times.

However this is a technical forum, and perhaps not the best place for political comment.

There is a lot of truth in the words of CP Scott, 1921 Guardian editor, “Comment is free… but facts are sacred”.
I would further remark, that in the current debate, comment is free, but facts are scarce.


racemaniac
Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:53 am
ahull wrote:However this is a technical forum, and perhaps not the best place for political comment.

There is a lot of truth in the words of CP Scott, 1921 Guardian editor, “Comment is free… but facts are sacred”.
I would further remark, that in the current debate, comment is free, but facts are scarce.


Slammer
Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:08 am
Until Britain’s official request for exit, I don’t believe anything…..
Politicians, they have their way to transform black to white…. :roll:

racemaniac
Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:20 am
Slammer wrote:Until Britain’s official request for exit, I don’t believe anything…..
Politicians, they have their way to transform black to white…. :roll:

ahull
Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:12 pm
racemaniac wrote:Slammer wrote:Until Britain’s official request for exit, I don’t believe anything…..
Politicians, they have their way to transform black to white…. :roll:

simonf
Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:52 pm
Well Osborne has grabbed this “get out of jail free” card with both hands. After 6 years of cuts and austerity to fund his promise of balancing the books by 2015 oh no 2020 he can now blame Brexit for all the nations ills. And where did the majority of the money he saved go, to reduce the deficit? , NO to fund the largest amount of Tax cuts for corporations and high earners in real terms in decades.

zmemw16
Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:25 pm
if i read the news and the snippets of legalese correctly, until we formally ask to leave, it’s all speculation; when we do ask formally, we have to go, end of.

stephen


simonf
Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:45 pm
zmemw16 wrote:if i read the news and the snippets of legalese correctly, until we formally ask to leave, it’s all speculation; when we do ask formally, we have to go, end of.

stephen


zmemw16
Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:47 pm
would another vote on it still be a possibility?
with/without a turnout figure needed?

stephen


martinayotte
Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:36 am
Seeing the latest news, it seems that there was a “hang-over” into London’s streets today !
I hope that this “hang-over” will also hit HARD the “old-timers” too in this new UK !
(although I’m an “old-timers” too … ;) )

martinayotte
Tue Jul 05, 2016 3:12 am
Today’s news about BRexit is incredible !
Another Pro-BRexit politic is doing also a back-step !
That will lead to second referendum, for sure !

Slammer
Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:38 am
IMO, no need for second vote…
The result of referendum is not obligatory for government, without official request to leave there is no brexit…
Politicians can find many many reasons to do what they want… they simply are searching the way to tell their decision to the people.

zoomx
Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:08 am
What is happening now is that in many future scientific european projects UK partners will be left out. It is happening because you don’t know what to do in the near future, maybe there will be some treatises (like Switzerland), maybe not and you have to propose you project now. So it’s simpler to avoid UK partners if you can because you don’t know what will happen in the future and maybe your proposal will be rejected because of UK partners.

ahull
Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:59 am
I’ve watched with increasing amusement as one Brexiteer after another runs away and hides. I always thought the UK political class was dominated by a bunch of slimly educated, small minded, superannuated, sycophantic simpletons, and this latest debacle reinforces my opinion.

Reform the house of lords, elect on merit, with strict entrance exams for those seeking high office (hell, even a basic grasp of mathematics would help, in the case of the current chancellor), and proportional representation would all go a long way towards a genuine democracy.

I would start by removing all unelected individuals in posts that command a salary of over £50,000 per year. … and that includes those who’s families have, by various devious means over the centuries, carved out power and influence out with the democratic process.

But then again, they ‘aint about to listen to me, far less put me in charge, so the vested interests and the rich and powerful are safe (for the time being)… :?


simonf
Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:54 pm
ahull wrote:
Reform the house of lords, elect on merit, with strict entrance exams for those seeking high office (hell, even a basic grasp of mathematics would help, in the case of the current chancellor), and proportional representation would all go a long way towards a genuine democracy.

ahull
Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:27 pm
What I find fascinating about the way we choose to be governed, is that those in power need absolutely no related qualifications whatsoever.

A chancellor, in charge of the finances of an entire country, need know nothing whatsoever about mathematics, statistics, or even basic book keeping.

The person notionally in charge of foreign policy need know nothing of history, geography or world affairs.

The individual placed in over all command of the NHS need know nothing about medical, fiscal or social matters.

In other words, we are generally governed by fools who make largely uninformed decisions, based on personal and party prejudice and the whim of rich and powerful individuals.

Should we therefore be surprised when they almost invariably prove to be incompetent I wonder.

A meritocracy is clearly such an outlandish idea that we laugh at it… why would we need people who actually have a clue what they are talking about, when we can have a bunch of rich fools. Where is the fun in that. :twisted:


martinayotte
Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:48 pm
I’ve just listen the news tonight :
Cameron is leaving 10 Downing street, but Larry The Cat stay there … :lol:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_(cat)

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