Transistor Curve Tracer maple mini

mausi_mick
Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:47 am
Hi,

I have rebuild the Transistor Curve Tracer:

https://www.instructables.com/id/Transi … ve-Tracer/

It was a very nice project from Peter Balch with good documentation and a lot of pictures.
I modified the source a little bit add some new functions and a quicker more simple menu.
Also I add two quad encoders for changing parameters and a better / simpler driver for the DUTs.

The only small problem was , that the Arduino NANO was slow for the SPI-ILI9341 display by changing menu items.

Therefore I tried to migrate the code from Arduino to STMf103 / maple mini.

I have to change a lot, take the code from maddias for the encoders and use SPI_2 for the dual DAC MCP4812.
Instead of the very good graphic library of Peter Balch I have to use the Adafruit_ILI9341_STM, but the fonts are not so good there.

I made a new layout for the “motherboard” for maple-mini, MCP4812 and the 5V LM7805.
On the testsocket I have a double-switch for changing + . (for npn,pnp,…) with a neutral position. In this I can change the DUTs and change the parameters.

Here some pictures from the layot and the Traces from the first DUT (a pnp):


mausi_mick
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:24 am
the pictures are to big. Therefore I have made a small video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwCUpSZMRUw


ahull
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:47 am
+10
I like it. :D

zoomx
Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:39 am
+10 too!

pareidolialjebus
Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:02 pm
This looks completely sick.

I think this will be the next build when I get the other three off the bench.

Thanks for sharing!


mausi_mick
Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:23 pm
here a new video from an npn,
(in the video the Icon is wrong!).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VihkScw … e=youtu.be

I think I have enough to do for the next time (from Friyday) !


mausi_mick
Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:18 pm
here a new small video from a red LED:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87-8Cbrcbkk


mausi_mick
Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:35 am
some photos on flickr from the “motherboard”-layout:

board backside:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/157863602 … otostream/

board topside with voltage-dividers for adc’s, socket for maplemini, dual-DAC MCP4812, …

https://www.flickr.com/photos/157863602 … otostream/

Board with Maplemini on socket:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/157863602 … otostream/

schematic driver for Uc and UB:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/157863602 … ateposted/


mausi_mick
Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:37 pm
here some videos from npn,pnp and n-MOS transistor:

npn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx0zOoM … e=youtu.be

pnp:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU4GIOO … utu.be[url]

n-MOS:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li8PEPm … utu.be[url]

mausi_mick
Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:27 pm
2 new videos scanning n-JFET E300 and p-JFET J174:

https://youtu.be/L0lCrIpWb1w

https://youtu.be/naFiqs0C5Gw


mausi_mick
Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:39 pm
slowly it goes further –.

now I have a automatic scale selection for Diodes/Zener for the voltage scale. So for small Ud ( schottky , germanium and small planar-diodes) range < 1V, for LED’s smaller 4V and for (most) zener-diodes above (.. 12V):

For JFET’s with IDss <= 10mA the y scale switched from 50mA (max) to 10mA (max):

example nJFET BF244:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbGsD5e … e=youtu.be

example Diode / Ube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3db7ZObl2k


mausi_mick
Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:57 am
for J-FET’s with IDss > 50mA (for example BF246B) the Tracer makes a 2. scan, changing y scale from 50mA to 100mA max.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTCJPuXfhGc


mausi_mick
Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:13 pm
I have a new video from scanning a 6.8V Zener-Diode in forward and reverse direction,
the scale changed automatically from
12v (for 6.8V Zener voltage ) to 1V (for 0.7V flow voltage).

I think now is the SW nearly ready, next I have to do something with the chassis …

And than I intend to make a video that isn’t so shaky like this:


mausi_mick
Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:23 pm
Now I have changed the DAC from 10 bit (MCP4812) to 12 bit.
In the diode-menu in position Max U-Diode = 0 the voltage-range changed automatic to the best/nearest (1V,2V,3V,4V,6V,12V max).
In the j-FET menu the y-scale changed automatic from 50mA to 10mA by small IDss or from 50mA to 100mA to big IDss.

A small demo You can see here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWtXENw … e=youtu.be


mausi_mick
Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:44 am
Now I have changed some hardware and a lot of SW:

the switch between n- and p-devices with the double-toggle switch (with neutral/sleep position) made some problems:
– needs space on the small user-surface
– makes longer wires to the ADC’s (more than 6cm)
– was not good usable on the small / light device
– stands often/long time in the wrong / active position and needs power and stressed/heat-up the DUT and the measure-resistances.

Therefore I tested 2 toggle relays for switching, only one active.
Now the DUTs had power only in the short measuring phase,
but I need a relative big PCB and about 70mA/5V for the short active time and a FET/diode and resistance for each relay.

Looking therefore for a electronic switcher and found AQY212: PhotoMOS – Relays
Not so expensive (about 1.5 $ each/I used 4), small , no separate supply but on resistance from about 1 Ohm.
But I think for max. current < 100mA an error from 100mV is – I hope – tolerable.
It works with > 2mA / 1.2V and I need no transistor/FET to drive it.
I need two Pins for activate/deactivate, but it’s functioned very good.
On the menu-screen I have split the “START”-button in two:
“pnp” for start pnp-Transistor, pMOS, n-JFET and p-Diode
“npn” for start npn-Transistor, NMOS, p-JFET and n-Diode

I add new function for comparing one DUT with another on the same screen.
Comparing makes sense with same kinds, for instance one npn with another npn
or with a complementary kind , for instance a npn with a pnp.
Preferably equal/paired transistors/fets you need often , for instance in differential-amplifier inputs.
Paired diodes for instance to select LEDs or zener – diodes.
Paired complementary devices you need for instance in amplifier end-stages.

Normally you start measuring with select the Type: Diode,npn/pnp,MOSFET or JFET and touching the Start-Button “pnp” or “npn”.
For comparing with another Device you change the device on the socket and
— turn the encoder (normally used for increment) CW for the same type (for instance : npn <—> npn
— turn the encoder (normally used for increment) CCW for a complementary type (for instance : npn <—> pnp

The compared device will be painted with another color on the screen.

Another problem was, that there was no current limit (only -I hope – in the amplifier TCA0372).

Therefore I designed a current limit over the measuring resistance (R32/R37 = 100 Ohm) and fixed it to 49mA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7o3SxdtTYw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9dRAWkYmlQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-3ApT4pM1A


mausi_mick
Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:46 am
Last days I made some hardware changes mostly for n-JFETs :
In the original design from Peter Balch their was onlya pos. supply voltage for the DUT’s. Therefore we had problems with the opamps near 0V , we need a rail-to-rail opamp with more than 100 mA output. I tested some opamps, I think the bestI found were L2272 or TCA0372, but they are no real r-to-r devices.
Also we need negative supply voltage on the gate of nJFETs.
Peter found a trick: he start it in the P-menu (emitter / source on 12V), draw gate to 0V and drain to + supply and the source to output of opamp, voltage varying by SW/DAC.
But therefore you had not the full voltage between source and drain and I think only for small drain-source-voltages the trace
was correct.

Threfore I made with a ICL7662 from the + 13V suppy a negative with more/less than -12V.
I used a separate standard dual opamp, for instance a TL062/072 only for the base. The 1. opamp works “normal” as non-ivertingv and gain 3 (66k/33k), the second opamp for the n-JFET works as inverting Opamp gain -3 (33k/100k).
With an Opto-Mos-Relais AQY212 :lol: I switch between the opamp-outputs to lay + or – voltage/current (over a 27k resistance) on the base.

Now the traces are better with less moise and it’s also possible to test depletion-mode MOSFET’s .
They have similar behavior like n-JFET’s, but the traces are very flat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJFGxkxHTMg


mausi_mick
Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:24 am
meanwhile I made some changes:
Instead of TL062 I use a LT1013, because he can work up to 44V and has output-current > 10mA.
The LT1013 has a negative supply (for n-JFET and depletion n_MOSFET) from about 12V (via ICL7662) and a positive supply from about +27V (via MT3608) for driving Zener -Diodes with Vz <= 24V /5mA.

The short video shows the result.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy5WFbwAy_Y


mausi_mick
Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:03 pm
in connection with the curve_tracer I made a new layout for Maple_Mini,
I think it could be the standard-layout for many projects:
it has headers for:
– ILI9341-SPI-TFT (only SCK, MOSI of SPI1 used, CS and CD on Pin 1,2)
– Touch (URTOUCH)
– 6 ADC’s with voltage divider on board
– I2C (SDA.SCLl) Pin 15,16 (I tested it with MCP23017 expander)
– USB (Pin 23,24)
– RX/TX (Pin25,26) for instance for Bluetooth
– 2 encoder over ISR (Pin17,18 and 13,14)
– SPI2 ( usable for instance for dual DAC MCP4822 (DIL8 on board) on Pin 28…31)
– 3 buttons (Pin0,Pin19,Pin20)
– Reset

and a own + 3.3V supply for display,… (I think is good for the internal reference).
and a own – 3,3V/ or -5V supply (for instance for amplifier)

Now the board has the dimension of the 2.8″ ILI9341 display (5cm x 8.5cm)

here the tentative layout:

MapleMiniCurveTracer_board_01.JPG
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mausi_mick
Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:04 am
I made some changes:

Integrate the zener-test in the “normal” Diode region, I need no separate socket for zener – diodes.

But therefore I had to change the voltage-dividers on four analog inputs from 100k/33k to 100k/11.??k
by paralleling a 20k to the 33k. Now the max. input voltage is near 30V .
I switch the 20k resistors with four nMOS-Fets.

Behind the “mother-board” for the maple-mini/MCP48x2 I have two small boards, one with the TCA0372 amplifier
for collector/emitter currents, the other with LT1303 to generate base current / gate-voltages.

The supply-voltage for the TCA0372 changed from 12.5V (normal) to 26V for measuring zener – diodes > 12V ,
The LT1303 has a separate supply ( about 27V ), the negative -12V supply for nJFET I generate with a ICL7662 (with a LM317L
for +12v).

Some more hw, but the sw and the handling is clearer.

The test’s are good , I will make a new video if I have finished a new chassis :roll:


Just4Fun
Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:02 am
Really cool!
I’m following all your progress on this…

mausi_mick
Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:13 pm
Now is the hardware finished and I made another menu-layout, with more space between “P” und “N” (the start-buttons for generate the traces)
and the right edge. And I have more space for a third parameter (most maximal-values) and on the left side the possibility to display all 4×3 parameter-values. Also I integrate the possibility to save the parameters in the EEPROM ( inside the STM32F103/MapleMini).

A short “video” here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ufdHPe … e=youtu.be


mausi_mick
Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:13 pm
Some small changes,
the gain of the amplifier TCA0372 now is changeable from gain=1(for (shottky-)diodes, LED’s and zener with Vz < 4V) over gain = 3 (default) to gain = 6 (for zeners with Vz between 12 and 24V).

Gives better resolution:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXhETuo … e=youtu.be


mausi_mick
Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:25 am
I have invest some time for the diode-traces,
here the compare – function:
start on the left with Shottky-Diode, than a 1N4184, RED-LED, YELLOW-LED, GREEN-LED, WHITE-LED
all at max. 9mA. The LED’s are standard 5mm.

MapleTracer_337_DiodesCompColor-002.JPG
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mausi_mick
Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:30 pm
hello,

now I have finished the work nearly, made some expansions for n-JFET with better resolution:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7slY69G … e=youtu.be

In the next days I will publish it in Github.


mausi_mick
Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:18 am
Hello,

now I have put some files in Github.

look here :

https://github.com/mausi-mick/Transisto … -MapleMini


mausi_mick
Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:03 am
Hello,

I have changed the display for n-/p-JFETs.

You can change the x-scale from 2 to 12V (2,3,4,6,12V).
The display shows two ohmic resistance (angled lines from zero).

The 2V x-scale is good for analyze the ohmic region of the jFETs between 0V and Vpinch.

12V – scale:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF9O-zO1Lq4

2V – scale:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7JPLxVymWk


mausi_mick
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:09 am
and now an comparison from MapleMini CurveTracer with the ArduinoNano-version with DUT BF244 (n-JFET):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8Ipjf7 … e=youtu.be


mausi_mick
Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:27 am
and here two nice videos comparing diverse diodes at 10mA max / 46mA max.

at 10 mA max:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wD9CJixKr4

and at 46 mA max:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4K8UJIG2BI


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