Blue pill PC13 shorted to ground

smithson
Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:29 am
PC13,PC14 on my blue pill board are shorted to ground.
I cleaned it with iudustrial alcohol and resoldered pins of stm32f103c8t6, it remains.

I set PC13 to output, high in the sketch, and it has no effect.
UART1, USB are normal
PA1~PA5, PB3~PB7, PA13~PA15 OUTPUT are tested, their output are normal.

Any clue to find the shorted cause?
Could I continue use the board?


Pito
Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:01 am
PC13 is connected to the D2 LED (blue) via 510ohm resistor.
PC14 is connected to the 32kHz resonator (and via 22pF to Gnd).

zmemw16
Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:15 am
easiest bar second suggestion is lift the resistor and the cap. then apply next if still shorted.

from an eon ago, apply 5v 40A psu in appropriate manner. it worked then, 74ls157 istr on tangerine 6502 eurocard. the trace it blew led me to a short across two pins of a dip package.

stephen


mrburnette
Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:12 pm
zmemw16 wrote:easiest bar second suggestion is lift the resistor and the cap. then apply next if still shorted.

from an eon ago, apply 5v 40A psu in appropriate manner. it worked then, 74ls157 istr on tangerine 6502 eurocard. the trace it blew led me to a short across two pins of a dip package.

stephen


ahull
Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:12 pm
zmemw16 wrote:easiest bar second suggestion is lift the resistor and the cap. then apply next if still shorted.

from an eon ago, apply 5v 40A psu in appropriate manner. it worked then, 74ls157 istr on tangerine 6502 eurocard. the trace it blew led me to a short across two pins of a dip package.

stephen


zmemw16
Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:39 pm
didn’t some one have a Commodore Pet emulation going ? also 6502 i think.

stephen


ahull
Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:41 pm
zmemw16 wrote:didn’t some one have a Commodore Pet emulation going ? also 6502 i think.

stephen


zmemw16
Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:50 pm
decoding the stored ‘basic’ program tokens and printing it to the teletype in 6502 asm was one of my first programs on it.
you could list it to the screen, nothing is quite like paper though :)
i think i offered it to microtan, but they (were doing) or did their own version, but then again i didn’t need to buy it!

stephen


smithson
Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:54 am
PC13 is connected to the D2 LED (blue) via 680ohm instead of 510ohm resistor.
PC14 is connected to the 32kHz resonator (and via 22pF to Gnd), that is checked right.

Suppose my PC13 AND PC14 INPUT MOSFET are broken, hope they won’t affect other IO pins.

Pito wrote:PC13 is connected to the D2 LED (blue) via 510ohm resistor.
PC14 is connected to the 32kHz resonator (and via 22pF to Gnd).


Pito
Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:05 am
Always buy 2-3 from these cheapo bards..
You may try to look at the track shorts on the pcb with a strong LED flashlight lamp. Just Xray the pcb from bottom why watching from top via magnifying glass.
Do not watch directly into the lamp via magnifying glass :shock: , however.
PS: I purchased the cheapest usb microscope ($11) available and it works great for such shorts control..

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ahull
Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:58 am
Pito wrote:
PS: I purchased the cheapest usb microscope ($11) available and it works great for such shorts control..

zmemw16
Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:17 am
scalpel or brass wire brush ?
srp

Pito
Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:30 am
Which microscope did you get?

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zmemw16
Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:32 am
at least you don’t need to hold the camera :D

Pito
Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:36 am
Yea, the mount works when not touched :)
To hold the stuff in one hand and to keep it focused requires a long time training, indeed :)
So the mount is needed, sure.
PS: to shot the above picture require to have the microscope’s bottom hovering about 1cm over the pcb – so watching while soldering would not be easy with that stuff.

zoomx
Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:12 am
I have the same USB scope with a weak mount.
It has only 640×480.
Image

There is not any zoom, it moves only the plate with LED and CMOS sensor to get focus, you can see it easily removing the transparent cover that seems a weak lens. My scope works better without the plastic lens but the focus distance change a lot.


smithson
Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:12 pm
cheapest usb microscope

which brand and model number?

Pito wrote:Always buy 2-3 from these cheapo bards..
You may try to look at the track shorts on the pcb with a strong LED flashlight lamp. Just Xray the pcb from bottom why watching from top via magnifying glass.
Do not watch directly into the lamp via magnifying glass :shock: , however.
PS: I purchased the cheapest usb microscope ($11) available and it works great for such shorts control..
stm32.JPG


Pito
Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:27 pm
Search on ebay for “USB 8 LED 500X Microscope” or something like that.
There are tons of the same type, with different mounts, from $10 up.

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