Genuino

RogerClark
Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:30 am
Guys,

You’ve probably already noticed this, but Arduino.cc seem to have rolled out a new brand called “Genuino” – which is a joint venture between Arduino and Adafruit to manufacture in the USA. – Though I find it slightly unclear precisely what this means, apart from branding and being related to the ongoing legal battles.

https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/GenuinoBrand

http://makezine.com/2015/05/16/arduino- … g-genuino/


pico
Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:17 am
Perhaps I haven’t been following as closely as I should, but my understanding was the Genuino brand was separate from the Adafruit deal — it simply reflects that Arduino.cc holds the trademark on “Arduino” in some markets, (e.g., US), and Arduino.org in others (e.g. Italy).

The Adafuit deal reflects the move to an alternate manufacturing partner for at least some of the Arduino product line. The items will still be branded “Arduino”, at least for sale in the US.


RogerClark
Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:46 am
@pico

Thanks, I think I misunderstood this first paragraph

Through a U.S. manufacturing partnership with Adafruit and the launch of a new global sister brand called Genuino, Arduino.cc today announces a couple of big moves that address the manufacturing challenges that have emerged for the company over the past few months.

It probably has nothing to do with Adafruit.


zoomx
Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:49 am
As Banzi and others wrote, there will be more Arduino producers in the world for every big market.
In USA it will be Adafruit (don’t know if there are others)
In China SeedStudio with Genuino brand.

Don’t know Europe. I bought some Arduino from RS Components, they are produced by Arduino.org but there is a transition since i found stickers that covered the previous brand. I believe that they are looking for a producer in Europe.

It seems that Arduino.cc has the brand only in USA so they will use Genuino in all other countries. I believe that an Arduino sold in Canada will have the Genuino brand but will be produced by Adafruit, or maybe not.


ahull
Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:21 pm
Do you think there would be any money in registering the brand name Fakeuino? :D I suspect it might gain some street cred with the hacker crowd. Look out for cheap knock offs branded as Guneino Jenuino and such ilk.

victor_pv
Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:28 pm
ahull wrote:Do you think there would be any money in registering the brand name Fakeuino? :D I suspect it might gain some street cred with the hacker crowd. Look out for cheap knock offs branded as Guneino Jenuino and such ilk.

mrburnette
Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:36 pm
ahull wrote:Do you think there would be any money in registering the brand name Fakeuino? :D I suspect it might gain some street cred with the hacker crowd. Look out for cheap knock offs branded as Guneino Jenuino and such ilk.

RogerClark
Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:46 pm
victor_pv wrote:

To me, it sounds like they are not as open hardware as they claim to be. Yes we keep the designs open because they were already open and we can’t close them, but you better buy our first quality board. I think at some point they are going to start closing things, code, hardware designs…

zoomx
Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:23 pm
Wich part of Yun is closed?

RogerClark
Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:16 pm
zoomx wrote:Wich part of Yun is closed?

martinayotte
Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:40 am
If I remember thru my readings, the “closed sources” are related to Wifi libs used by the AR9331.

RogerClark
Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:48 am
I’m not sure that the hardware internals of the wifi / processor module is open source at all, is it ?

Its all a bit vague, and not very open, i.e. perhaps it is open if you can manage to find the hardware files they used, but Arduino don’t seem to publish the hardware designs and PCB etc they actually used for the Yun’s wifi / processor module


martinayotte
Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:59 am
Yes, it is a bit vague, but I’ve never investigate further since I’m not really interested by this board.
From what I remember for open-source debate, it seems that some binary blobs are used from Atheros, but there are maybe open-source equivalent,
especially that this AR9331 is used elsewhere. So, to get the True, maybe we need to ask the question to the expert Squonk (who has now worked with GliNet on Domino I/O. BTW, I’m waiting for some of those Domino I/O in the following days/weeks, since I’ve pledged for them on Kickstarter)

zoomx
Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:00 am
I thought about software but it seems that the closed source part is only in hardware. I don’t know if this is a big issue since there are Arduino shield with Atheros SOC that operate like a Yun.
I believe that Atheros drivers are not closed source since in openWRT (and DD-WRT) you can find the sources. Broadcom drivers instead are closed sources, in openWRT the drivers are not optimal since they are based on reverse engiinering of the original binary.

But since the born of ESP8266 I am not interested anymore in this board too.

Anyway, since the interesting is the communication between the two chips Atmel and Atheros, I believe that I can use a wifi router with openWRT with a serial port like the WR703n.


RogerClark
Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:24 am
zoomx wrote:I believe that I can use a wifi router with openWRT with a serial port like the WR703n.

mrburnette
Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:27 pm
RogerClark wrote:zoomx wrote:
But in the end I used some smaller devices attached to an Arduino, and more recently, like you say, its all been replaced by devices like the ESP8266
Of course a lot of the OS on the ESP8266 is closed source, which is one of the big problems with that device, as Expressif don’t seem to be that communicate with the open source developer community.

martinayotte
Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:32 pm
Hi Ray,

but the Arduino core and this modified core: https://github.com/sandeepmistry/esp8266-Arduino which will work on non-BoardManager versions appear to be the way to go

Sandeepmistry repo is a fork from original IGRR’s one, and it seems that not updated frequently, it is better to use IGRR’s official repo from https://github.com/esp8266/Arduino


mrburnette
Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:56 pm
martinayotte wrote:Hi Ray,

but the Arduino core and this modified core: https://github.com/sandeepmistry/esp8266-Arduino which will work on non-BoardManager versions appear to be the way to go

Sandeepmistry repo is a fork from original IGRR’s one, and it seems that not updated frequently, it is better to use IGRR’s official repo from https://github.com/esp8266/Arduino


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